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	<title>Comments on: Fedora 12 (Rant)</title>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.raditha.com/blog/archives/fedora-12-rant.html#comment-11312</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 06:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point of fedora is cutting edge technology, yes. But  it most certainly isn&#039;t shipping products that are known to be completely and utterly broken and/or useless</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point of fedora is cutting edge technology, yes. But  it most certainly isn&#8217;t shipping products that are known to be completely and utterly broken and/or useless</p>
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		<title>By: ant</title>
		<link>http://www.raditha.com/blog/archives/fedora-12-rant.html#comment-11062</link>
		<dc:creator>ant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 03:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, that is the point of fedora. its a development playground where new ideas are trialed and tested to see what people think of them, and to get more testing / bug reports from a larger user base. If you dont want to help dont run it, or if you dont mind the experimental nature but prefer a bit more stability than bleeding edge (as I do myself)  then sit one release behind current. As the support cycle covers the last two releases thats a decent place to be. I only installed fedora 11 after fedora 12 had come out, and found after bringing it up to date it was fine from there. However ive just tried f12 on my work machine and found its still too green for me. 3 screens on nvidia with 64bit kernel is proving very buggy :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, that is the point of fedora. its a development playground where new ideas are trialed and tested to see what people think of them, and to get more testing / bug reports from a larger user base. If you dont want to help dont run it, or if you dont mind the experimental nature but prefer a bit more stability than bleeding edge (as I do myself)  then sit one release behind current. As the support cycle covers the last two releases thats a decent place to be. I only installed fedora 11 after fedora 12 had come out, and found after bringing it up to date it was fine from there. However ive just tried f12 on my work machine and found its still too green for me. 3 screens on nvidia with 64bit kernel is proving very buggy <img src='http://www.raditha.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.raditha.com/blog/archives/fedora-12-rant.html#comment-6761</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annoying to say the least. As you say, Red Hat&#039;s policy seems to be to take out working packages and replace them with half baked products that need a few hundreds man hours of work for it to be even remotely usable. PackageKit is a classic example but it isn&#039;t even new anymore. Remember when upstart first arrived on the scene?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annoying to say the least. As you say, Red Hat&#8217;s policy seems to be to take out working packages and replace them with half baked products that need a few hundreds man hours of work for it to be even remotely usable. PackageKit is a classic example but it isn&#8217;t even new anymore. Remember when upstart first arrived on the scene?</p>
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		<title>By: jaromrax</title>
		<link>http://www.raditha.com/blog/archives/fedora-12-rant.html#comment-6704</link>
		<dc:creator>jaromrax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, last days I have two very sad experiences with F12. One PC with 380MB ram started with text install, that is extremely dumb. The result was that F12 erased all my partitions and has put lvm there. The installation ended with level 3 - text. Knowing yum enough, I have installed X and gnome. The result was blank screen. I would be able to solve that (how much annoying it is), but I cannot swallow that lvm thing and I dont know the way out.
 2nd - I did upgrade from F10 with DVD. Anaconda did the stuff, my home and other partitions remained intact. It booted into blank screen. No ctrl-alt-fn, just catching the grub (delay=0), singleuser and my own xorg.conf. 
 Yes, why do they leave the things that work? I dont understand why the install the garbage like was beagle and now packagekit. While uninstalling beagle was smooth, packagekit was fighting.
All my F11 installs were ok. I have tried also debian, but it is a bit harder to get the spirit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, last days I have two very sad experiences with F12. One PC with 380MB ram started with text install, that is extremely dumb. The result was that F12 erased all my partitions and has put lvm there. The installation ended with level 3 &#8211; text. Knowing yum enough, I have installed X and gnome. The result was blank screen. I would be able to solve that (how much annoying it is), but I cannot swallow that lvm thing and I dont know the way out.<br />
 2nd &#8211; I did upgrade from F10 with DVD. Anaconda did the stuff, my home and other partitions remained intact. It booted into blank screen. No ctrl-alt-fn, just catching the grub (delay=0), singleuser and my own xorg.conf.<br />
 Yes, why do they leave the things that work? I dont understand why the install the garbage like was beagle and now packagekit. While uninstalling beagle was smooth, packagekit was fighting.<br />
All my F11 installs were ok. I have tried also debian, but it is a bit harder to get the spirit.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.raditha.com/blog/archives/fedora-12-rant.html#comment-6576</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you read this blog carefully you will find that I have tried most distros. Debian, Slackware, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Knoppix, Damn Small Linux, you name it;  I have used it. Centos *is* what I am using on my servers (please check the archives). As for PCLinux OS well, I am sorry but this hasn&#039;t registered on my Radar but I will check it out. Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you read this blog carefully you will find that I have tried most distros. Debian, Slackware, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Knoppix, Damn Small Linux, you name it;  I have used it. Centos *is* what I am using on my servers (please check the archives). As for PCLinux OS well, I am sorry but this hasn&#8217;t registered on my Radar but I will check it out. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: manmath sahu</title>
		<link>http://www.raditha.com/blog/archives/fedora-12-rant.html#comment-6552</link>
		<dc:creator>manmath sahu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>first of all, i wonder why people like you use fedora which is always experimental and buggy. you could instead try mepis and pclinuxos for desktops, and debian and centos for servers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>first of all, i wonder why people like you use fedora which is always experimental and buggy. you could instead try mepis and pclinuxos for desktops, and debian and centos for servers.</p>
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		<title>By: Site With The Lamp &#187; Fedora 12 Post Install Cleanup.</title>
		<link>http://www.raditha.com/blog/archives/fedora-12-rant.html#comment-6527</link>
		<dc:creator>Site With The Lamp &#187; Fedora 12 Post Install Cleanup.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Fedora is easy. It&#8217;s the post upgrade clean up that kills you. As already mentioned, the move from version 11 to 12, left behind 581 packages from F11. These should ideally be removed to avoid unexpected segfaults, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Fedora is easy. It&#8217;s the post upgrade clean up that kills you. As already mentioned, the move from version 11 to 12, left behind 581 packages from F11. These should ideally be removed to avoid unexpected segfaults, [...]</p>
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